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sportbikebandit · 07-21-2005, 11:48 AM

Thanks for all the great info. I was wondering about the Avenger vs. Challenger thing since Seattle Cycle has Avengers on their web site. Which I don't see on the Vanson site.

sportbikebandit · 07-21-2005, 11:55 AM

Yep I guess I want something that looks good, lasts longer that a couple of years, and I can use at a track school. I probably should of added that to my original question. Most track schools want you to wear leather.

kill_van_kull · 07-21-2005, 11:59 AM

I have the JR original Phoenix jacket & pants. They work well keeping me cool up to about 85-90 or so. After that, they're f'in hot. With the nylon & soft armor, they're clearly better than just jeans & t-shirt, but the real question is how much? Does anyone have actual crash experience (victim or witness) in them or other flow thrus? I'd hate to go down at extra-legal speeds and find out the hard way that they weren't worth crap.

tomk2 · 07-21-2005, 12:06 PM

Interesting to hear about your crash with the First Gear mesh... I use one of those with upgraded CE armor for my summer jacket, along with the matching pants. I've always figured it was a "one use" garment.

I like it cuz the temperatures can vary so much here, starting inland with 90+ degrees and getting out to the coast it'll be maybe 65, nice to be able to zip the liner in/out so quickly.

johnnyb · 07-21-2005, 12:17 PM

i here it is a bmw again. wasnt it R1200GS last year? we r ready for retirement home...

Fenton · 07-21-2005, 01:26 PM

Watch the Vanson price, fully loaded, armor & liners you can get up to $900 pretty quick. Then you need the matching pants. Fashion is a *****. Beats assless chaps.

I don't know how tall or round you are. At 6'3" and 200lbs., I was looking at custom in Vanson and Bates.

I said it before, but, take a look at the Road Gear XJK perf. jacket w/liner. Warmer than my roadcrafter with the liner and no problem in 90 degree heat. I liked the jacket so much, I bought the matching pants. The big drawback is the lack of zip together option.

Mansoor, the owner, will send out a couple of sizes for you to choose from. First class guy.

Good luck!

DaveFla · 07-21-2005, 03:02 PM

Dude. C'mon. If you even THINK there's a chance you might go down at "extra-legal" speeds, then fer cryin' out loud, DON'T wear your mesh jacket on the ride. I don't see my Phoenix as being anything but "better than a t-shirt" at in-city commuting speeds.

When I hit the highways, it's either Blaster pants and jacket, or my Roadcrafter with the optional spinal armor and hip pads. I figure it'd be just my luck to have no injuries other than the scraping, and die of infection anyway.

pplassm · 07-21-2005, 04:42 PM

I have the Fieldsheer mesh jacket that's mesh with leather reinforcement and hard armor. I have read about some folks crashing with this set-up and they were OK. It was 100 degrees and really humid today in Richmond.

I wore the jacket to go the 30 miles to pick up my new truck. I was stuck in a jam for an accident for about 20 minutes, and it was bearable, but sweaty.

When I got to the accident site, they were literally hosing the road down. Lots of blood. I saw a helmet faceshield lying on the road.

I see a lot of idiots riding around here in tshirts, shorts and flip-flops. Hope is wasn't someone I met.

Hipshot · 07-21-2005, 05:09 PM

I picked up a leather jacket maybe 10 years ago from a Boulder, CO motorcycle shop that has been my standby ever since. It has old Craig Vetter's name in it, but I'm sure he sold the right to his name to somebody for manufacturing. It is exceedingly comfortable and flows well, even down here in the swamp. It also has reinforced pieces on the likely touch-down spots after an unintentional dismount.

KLRer · 07-21-2005, 07:01 PM

I've got a flow through polyester jacket by a company named "3rd Street". Its got some decent spinal, elbow and elbow padding (I wouldnt call it armor though) and rides very cool up to about 85 degrees. With a wet tshirt underneath its ok on up to the mid nineties, at least. Of course, nothing feels cool in those conditions stopped at a light.

07-21-2005, 11:48 AM	#21
sportbikebandit Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,072	Re: Challenger = Avenger Thanks for all the great info. I was wondering about the Avenger vs. Challenger thing since Seattle Cycle has Avengers on their web site. Which I don't see on the Vanson site.

07-21-2005, 11:55 AM	#22
sportbikebandit Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,072	Re: Latest ''flow through'' street jackets Yep I guess I want something that looks good, lasts longer that a couple of years, and I can use at a track school. I probably should of added that to my original question. Most track schools want you to wear leather.

07-21-2005, 11:59 AM	#23
kill_van_kull Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 19	Re: Latest ''flow through'' street jackets I have the JR original Phoenix jacket & pants. They work well keeping me cool up to about 85-90 or so. After that, they're f'in hot. With the nylon & soft armor, they're clearly better than just jeans & t-shirt, but the real question is how much? Does anyone have actual crash experience (victim or witness) in them or other flow thrus? I'd hate to go down at extra-legal speeds and find out the hard way that they weren't worth crap.

07-21-2005, 12:06 PM	#24
tomk2 Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 514	Re: Challenger = Avenger Interesting to hear about your crash with the First Gear mesh... I use one of those with upgraded CE armor for my summer jacket, along with the matching pants. I've always figured it was a "one use" garment. I like it cuz the temperatures can vary so much here, starting inland with 90+ degrees and getting out to the coast it'll be maybe 65, nice to be able to zip the liner in/out so quickly.

07-21-2005, 12:17 PM	#25
johnnyb Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,597	Re: WHAT?! i here it is a bmw again. wasnt it R1200GS last year? we r ready for retirement home...

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07-21-2005, 01:26 PM	#26
Fenton Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Arvada, CO Posts: 1,900	Re: Latest ''flow through'' street jackets Watch the Vanson price, fully loaded, armor & liners you can get up to $900 pretty quick. Then you need the matching pants. Fashion is a *****. Beats assless chaps. I don't know how tall or round you are. At 6'3" and 200lbs., I was looking at custom in Vanson and Bates. I said it before, but, take a look at the Road Gear XJK perf. jacket w/liner. Warmer than my roadcrafter with the liner and no problem in 90 degree heat. I liked the jacket so much, I bought the matching pants. The big drawback is the lack of zip together option. Mansoor, the owner, will send out a couple of sizes for you to choose from. First class guy. Good luck!

07-21-2005, 03:02 PM	#27
DaveFla Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 328	Re: Latest ''flow through'' street jackets Dude. C'mon. If you even THINK there's a chance you might go down at "extra-legal" speeds, then fer cryin' out loud, DON'T wear your mesh jacket on the ride. I don't see my Phoenix as being anything but "better than a t-shirt" at in-city commuting speeds. When I hit the highways, it's either Blaster pants and jacket, or my Roadcrafter with the optional spinal armor and hip pads. I figure it'd be just my luck to have no injuries other than the scraping, and die of infection anyway.

07-21-2005, 04:42 PM	#28
pplassm Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,875	Re: Latest ''flow through'' street jackets I have the Fieldsheer mesh jacket that's mesh with leather reinforcement and hard armor. I have read about some folks crashing with this set-up and they were OK. It was 100 degrees and really humid today in Richmond. I wore the jacket to go the 30 miles to pick up my new truck. I was stuck in a jam for an accident for about 20 minutes, and it was bearable, but sweaty. When I got to the accident site, they were literally hosing the road down. Lots of blood. I saw a helmet faceshield lying on the road. I see a lot of idiots riding around here in tshirts, shorts and flip-flops. Hope is wasn't someone I met. __________________ Mongo just pawn in game of life.

07-21-2005, 05:09 PM	#29
Hipshot Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 52	Re: Latest ''flow through'' street jackets I picked up a leather jacket maybe 10 years ago from a Boulder, CO motorcycle shop that has been my standby ever since. It has old Craig Vetter's name in it, but I'm sure he sold the right to his name to somebody for manufacturing. It is exceedingly comfortable and flows well, even down here in the swamp. It also has reinforced pieces on the likely touch-down spots after an unintentional dismount.

07-21-2005, 07:01 PM	#30
KLRer Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 233	Re: Latest ''flow through'' street jackets I've got a flow through polyester jacket by a company named "3rd Street". Its got some decent spinal, elbow and elbow padding (I wouldnt call it armor though) and rides very cool up to about 85 degrees. With a wet tshirt underneath its ok on up to the mid nineties, at least. Of course, nothing feels cool in those conditions stopped at a light.