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Old 09-14-2004, 05:25 AM   #71
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Default Re: Numbers don't lie, but KP does

What the Kook is clueless about is simply the difficulty involved in getting good launches with the peaky 600 vs the Buell. Those performance figures you see in the mags are the result of many passes with an expert rider. The average Joe on his 600 is gonna get stomped by Buells and Bandits. He'll go home and look at his stats again and scratch his head utterly - clueless concerning his lack of skill.



I take advantage of this all the time. I bet you do too. Ever lost a street drag to a 600 on your VMax? I think not. I've only lost one with my ancient air/oil-cooled boat anchor GSXG. These bikes charge hard easily while Rick Racer is wheeling or spinning his tire or getting crossed up on his wunderbike.



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Old 09-14-2004, 05:33 AM   #72
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Default Re: One Year / 12,831 Miles on a 2004 Buell XB12s

Maybe, but after reading Tolstoy's review you would be crying and preparing to hang yourself. Provided you didn't fall asleep half way through.
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Old 09-14-2004, 05:47 AM   #73
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Default Re: Numbers don't lie, but KP does

I guess no one is even noticing he should never even hit 5000rpm in 2nd.



He should be letting out the clutch in first gear at like 6-7k rpm and then the RPMS would never be dropping anywhere near 5k in any gear assuming he used the correct shift points.



Why do people have so much trouble launching bikes that require some revs off the line?



The Buell's torque at low rpm is going to be fun & convenient riding around but it shouldn't really matter a whole lot on a hard launch if the 600 rider actually has the stones to wind the thing up hard off the line.



This talk of 5000rpm is just funny since the 6000 probably idles at 1500rpm and it hits 5000rpm in like .25 second at like half throttle.



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Old 09-14-2004, 06:00 AM   #77
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aw you didn't have to go and make a hero out of buell. now i have to like him even tho i previously spent no time thinking about him. i want boehm's head too. the biggest goob in all of motorcycling. and that's some stiff competition.
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Old 09-14-2004, 06:20 AM   #80
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Default Average 600 Squids

What we are talking about here are average riders out on the street from light to light, not at the drag strip where the story would be very different. The Buells are sold as street bikes not strip or race bikes, and on the street torque is a very powerful weapon.



seruzawa is right, most of the 600 sport bikes you see out there have Squids on them that don't know how to launch their bike off the line. What the magazines don't tell them is you have to have everything just right, the right revs, the right clutch release all in balance to get that 0-60 in 3 seconds flat. Most of them sit there with the bike at idle or they are reving the bike up and down through the rev range and who knows what RPM the bike will launch at when the light turns green.



Also, they don't hear the Buell revving up and probably assume I am going to do a slow take off since they assume it must have to be revved up for a hard take off.



What it all adds up to and I've run up against more then just two at a light is the fact the average 600 Squid is NOT going to launch his 600 sport bike anywhere near as hard as it could be.



Like I said in my log earlier when I ran up against that old 750 Ninja it was very close. The guy revved the bike up to the right RPM and held it there. Then launched nice and hard. He's the only guy I have run up against with a 750 or smaller bike that did it right. And IÂ’m sure the story would have been different had he been on a new GSX-R 750 instead of his old worn out Kawasaki 750. IÂ’m also sure sooner or later I will run up against a rider on a new 600 sport bike that will do everything right.

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