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Old 05-04-2004, 08:29 AM   #71
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Default Re: BUELLS NOT BAD EH?

It's well established that the Buell chassis configuration is very effective. It all comes down to their motor. They have enormous, low-output engines that are not competitive in any real sense of the term with similar displacement, liquid-cooled motors of more modern design.



I really like the Buell design, but I hate the fact that the engine is so useless. The race Buell's, from what I understand, have 1.3 litre motors! Assuming 130 HP, that's a horrible specific output when compared to virtually any other racing engine out there, almost to the point of embarassment.



The legacy Harley motor that they use has a lot of vintage charm, and was very nice for its time and is even useful for selected purposes today. However, for a racing bike, it's simply bizarre, and not in a good way. If Buell was freed from this engine, and had, for example, a modern high-output V-twin or a V-4 or an inline x etc. etc. etc. it seems clear that it would garner substantially more acceptance. $12,500 for a 105 - 110 HP sport or racing bike just doesn't cut it, though, when $11K gets you 160 and $15K gets you 180+.



The reductio ad absurdum of this whole line is developing a Model-T or Model-A engine and feeling really good about getting 130 HP out of it - good on you, but...



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Old 05-04-2004, 08:34 AM   #72
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why are you bragging about dusting 600 cc fours? why AREN'T you bragging about dusting 1000 cc twins, like ducatis?



try to imagine an SV-1000 motor in a buell chassis ...
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Old 05-04-2004, 08:44 AM   #73
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like talking to a sheep, but:



you are right. isn't it amazing, then, that a guy like Barnes can take such a ridiculous, outmoded and just plain stupid motorcycle with its agricultural, babbit-bearinged motor to 8th place in an ama national packed with 3 factory cbr600 hondas, each of which probably cost more than barnes bike, transporter, and worldly possessions combined–piloted by highly paid superstar riders. musta been a fluke. Must be a mistake in scoring. probly didn't even happen. Because it's impossible.
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Old 05-04-2004, 10:07 AM   #74
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The Buell air/oil cooled engine was built for reliability first.

Their roller bearing V-twins deliver power where you want it, when you want it.

If synthetic oil is used (it should be!) the engines should see 100,000 miles before teardown.

I'm sure Erik has heard from the streets and canyons and enhancements are on the way:

Variable valve timing; 6 speed transmission; ABS; Hydraulic logic clutch (no disengaging, just stab the shift); Adjustable bars and seat position.

2005 will be a great year for Buell!
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Old 05-04-2004, 10:31 AM   #75
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They smell weird and talk funny too, and they wear coats when it's 60

Some company is selling them "beachfront property" at Ocean Shores for twice what we pay. They just fail to point out the Pacific is about 35 degrees in July this far north.
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Old 05-04-2004, 10:35 AM   #76
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Default Re: why are you bragging?

Because they are in the same price /weight range. The 1000cc twin ducatis are a whole lot more then $8,995.
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Old 05-04-2004, 10:38 AM   #77
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The XB12 Lightning is a pretty standard seating position, I've not ridden one but it seems like it'd be a pretty fun bike
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Old 05-04-2004, 10:43 AM   #78
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You guys probably think anything with two wheels and a motor is fun.



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Old 05-04-2004, 10:49 AM   #79
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Oh and I have ridden with some friends here that have 900cc and 1000cc Ducatis, and you know what? My bike is slighly faster then the 900 Monster and I stay up with the 1000 Monster, but that's not the point. The point is I'm tired of hearing all this crap quoted from magazines how this 600cc 4 has 0-60 in this time and such and such top speed. Out on the street it means nothing with 99% of the riders I ride against.
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Old 05-04-2004, 10:57 AM   #80
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Sold Sexual Chocolate? Egads, man, what will you do for "counter rotation" gratification now..?



BTW, a boat is just a hole in the water you pour money into. Sunday, I was getting my boat, (the Mighty 21' Marlin), ready for this season. After peeking in various holes, and checking all the fluids, it started right up.



But when I put the damn thing in gear, it sounded like the lower unit was full of mice. That won't be cheap.



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