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Old 05-04-2004, 04:44 PM   #101
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Default Re: It's not the HP that matters its the usability

Thats nweaver's opinion and he has every right to xpress it seeing how he's ridden one.I found the power band very useable in real world conditions and the trans was fine. Have you ridden one? try one and let us know what YOU think....dont waste our time by repeating someone else's post....I already read it.
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Old 05-04-2004, 04:45 PM   #102
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Default Re: It's not the HP that matters its the usability

Actually the useable range is from 1.5 k to redline and the really good power on my XB12S with race kit is from 4 k to 7k
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Old 05-04-2004, 04:59 PM   #103
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The engine really IS a Pice of ***** by modern standards:



Between the overweight nature, the split-crankcase construction, the separate engine and transmission, the horribly narrow rev-range, the clunky 5 speed molassis-transmission, and the problem-inducing vibrations, the engine should be retired from service.

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Old 05-04-2004, 05:05 PM   #104
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Default Re: I just destroyed a guy on a Buell...

I finally found a replacement to my beloved ex KLR. Test rode the KTM 950 Adventure on saturday, I'm in lust... What a mighty fine motor and soundtrack.



Sean, you mentioned having or getting the new 1200 gs, anyway to convince KTM on letting you have a loaner 950?
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Old 05-04-2004, 05:06 PM   #105
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Default I'll repeat myself too

Just in case you didn't get it the first time, you couldn't outride the Buell's chassis or motor on your best day. That's a flat fact. Going on that fact, it doesn't matter how much stronger any motor is at that point, as it's over your head anyway. Kind of like being able to eat only 10 oz of steak, but ordering a 30 ouncer to leave more on the table. It looks great on the plate, but you still can't eat it all. If you didn't like the Buell fine. Nobody has a problem with that. My POINT was you couldn't reach the limit of any Buell in any way, shape or form. The rest is just bulshyt, plain and simple.
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Old 05-04-2004, 05:08 PM   #106
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And a good rider on that piece of shyt will smoke your ass on a Tuono like you are standing still.
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Old 05-04-2004, 05:13 PM   #107
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Buddy of mine just dropped off a reasonably cherry 1970 Yamaha AS1 125 twin two smoker in my garage. Hopefully I'll have her up and smoking soon.
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Old 05-04-2004, 05:14 PM   #108
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Heavens!! All this time it was a Sportster that I needed. I lament the fact that I truly must be a squid for wanting more in a motor. I realize now the error of my squidly ways. Dare I ask for more than the heavy clunk of a gear shift or more breadth of powerband? No I do not! Longride, thank you, thank you for setting my people free. Enlighten me daily so as to keep me from falling from atop your high horse.
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Old 05-04-2004, 06:37 PM   #109
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I find it pathetic that just because I don't like a certain motor it automatically means I don't know how to ride. Oh really, well I used to own a certain 90 degree V-twin, I'll not mention it's name but I believe it has membership with the 3-pronged holy grail of motorcycles. I've outran much sportier bikes with it in the GA mtns. and I realized skill will always outweigh hp. But still, hp can be fun. I think these old men wish they could still get excited about sport bikes. The funny thing is, most modern V-twin sportbikes don't make near the hp as the I-4s do, but many of us deem them worthy because we understand twins just don't put out as much when comparing equal displacement. If the Lightning had put a true 100hp to the rear tire I might be close to forgiveness, but still, try finding neutral. I really like the way Buells sound, the way they look, but I think if you're going to put in a narrow angle twin, make it even larger displacement and give it more torque than anything else out there and give it a wider powerband. But hey, I'm just squid, what do I know?
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Old 05-04-2004, 07:17 PM   #110
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I was at Infineon this weekend and did the same test: I rode an XB12S followed by a Tuono. Same route, about 1/2 hour on each bike.



No question. If I had to buy one, it'd be the Tuono. Similar reasons to what nweaver said: better motor, tranny, seating position , higher perceived quality. I had more fun on the Aprilia. It's a really cool bike.



However, I did enjoy the XB12S. It definitely had character and attitude. I wouldn't want to tour on it, and I wouldn't pay 11K for one, but if Buell wanted to lend me one for a month I'd be happy to give it a good thrashing! I think it would make a decent play bike.



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