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electraglider_1997 04-13-2004 04:42 PM

Re: Long term reliability of Buell lightning?
 
If you can't change your own oil then you'd better change your panties.

sarnali 04-13-2004 04:54 PM

Re: Long term reliability of Buell lightning?
 
Buy the Triumph, if not the S3 then a Thunderbird Sport or a Thruxton. (The Trophy, I'm afraid may be too much bike for you)

Remember your history, cool kids ride Triumphs.

sarnali 04-13-2004 05:04 PM

Re: Long term reliability of Buell lightning?
 
If I was looking for a metric cruiser the Yamaha Warrior would be my choice.

When I hear Sabre's and Magna's I always think of my '84 V65 Sabre, That was fun !

billhawley 04-13-2004 05:16 PM

Re: Long term reliability of Buell lightning?
 
"You are obviously quite stupid."



Apparently. But mainly because it was only the Buell engine that I said was crude?...



"I don't have any personal experience with the newer Buell's reliability (the focus of this man's question)"



...So you'll just publicly display your MAS affliction (Male Answer Syndrome), and speak about something you have no experience with then?



", but I could tell you that a V-Rod is NOT a sportbike. A strong motor alone does not mean a bike is classified as a sport model."



...Nor does a relatively "weak" one (the Buell's in this case) make a particularly good one. My old GS750 would likely eat either one of these bikes alive in a 1/4 mile, if not in the curves. A $7000 1200 Bandit surely would. I'm assuming you've had no actual experience on either of the bikes, or you would know that steering response and turn in feels significantly better on the V-Rod than the Buell -- the exact opposite of what you'd expect. The suspension is also quite capable on the 'Rod. The limiting factor is ground clearance. Don't be so willing to believe the marketing types. Sometimes they lie. While it's not a "sportbike", the V-Rod is a pretty decent $12,000 "sporty model" motorcycle. Pity it's $18,000.



"Ignore billhawley's advice and you should do fine."



Hard to argue with THAT logic Ron... My stated recommendations were for reasonably priced alternatives that would meet the stated criteria of power, handling, reliability, and (30" or less) seat heights. Didn't mean to confuse the issue with facts!


jonlich 04-13-2004 05:43 PM

Re: Long term reliability of Buell lightning?
 
From your comments, it sounds like, in essence, you do agree with me.

i.e. Hyundai, and Buell trying to repair their image.

I also agree that the extended warranty is generally pushed and is a big money maker for the dealer. The manufacturer only gets a relatively small portion of that $1,500. The point I am trying to get across applies to the standard warranty applied by the manufacturer and used as a selling point for the vehicle.

One interesting point you bring up is that a long warranty SHOWS that you have confidence in your product. I would ask: To whom do you NEED to show it? To a customer that is already convinced of it's reliability? That would be a waste of advertising dollars. No one spends millions of dollars on advertising that the sun will come out tomorrow because that issue is not in doubt. It is only in the case where the percieved reliability of your product is in doubt that you need to SHOW that you have confidence in your product. I am just pointing out that, when an automotive company is in trouble, it is standard practice to try to increase sales by upping the warranty ante. Take for example Mitsubishi here in the states, their latest line-up of vehicles are just not selling at all and haven't for the last 2 or 3 years. Voila! New! Longer Warranty! Do you see the connection here?

My point is just that falling for the long warranty argument in terms of what vehicle you choose to buy is just not a very well considered judgement. I was really just commenting on the number of "You should buy a Buell because of the longer warranty" comments I have read. I personally would like to try a Buell out as I think it is refreshing to see a company buck the design orthodoxy regarding how motorcycles should be designed and built. Peace and Love

jonlich 04-13-2004 05:50 PM

Re: It's all Bush's fault. The buck stops at his desk
 
HEAR! HEAR!



I second that opinion.



I have to conclude that the political stuff has to come from someone who can't read the name of the website.

zorak 04-13-2004 07:42 PM

Re: Long term reliability of Buell lightning?
 
I'm fine with routine maint myself, but this guy may not be, and therefore it's worth considering.



I do think it's a reflection on Buell (H-D dealers) that they want so much money for what seems like so little maint.

vincentvanc 04-13-2004 09:04 PM

Re: Long term reliability of Buell lightning?
 
First, let's consider how quality is measured. Some Buell owners will vouch their bike's quality with their wife, some will curse the beautiful contraption as a nice piece of modern art, all forms and no functions. Why the discrepancies?



High quality products, by defination, have less variance than lower quality products. The Japanese somehow managed to push the variance so low, it is less than 2sigma deviation compare to most American make bikes.



Case in point: Almost any Hondas will perform consistently. While with Buell, sometimes you get a superb bike, no problem whatsoever, but some other times you might end up with a modern piece of art.



As always, life is your call!

seruzawa 04-14-2004 03:57 AM

Re: Long term reliability of Buell lightning?
 
The Sprints are cool too. Aside from the Bonnneville Americas any of the Triumphs are an attractive package.



I'm going to stock up on Loctite and spare pistons in advance!


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