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minime · 03-30-2001, 03:16 PM

Again, First Post, so now we can all keep things on topic, thanks

SlowDude · 03-30-2001, 04:12 PM

There you go again starting out off topic. You are becoming the new anonymous squid of the site. Loved the naked R model. I think it is the best looking R yet. First real post!

wheat · 03-30-2001, 04:15 PM

I'd be interested to hear if the nerve deadening thrum of the R11 is signifcantly changed in these new models. I owned a 95 R1100R and had to give it up because of it.

Other than that, I found it to be a great ride.

starvingstudent · 03-30-2001, 04:36 PM

That R1150R really makes my mouth water...

But it's too expensive and is more size/power than I need. And singles do nothing for me. When will BMW wake up and make a R750R priced at $6999? That would snatch massive market away from the middleweight standards market. When it's $5500 for a Nighthawk or 10K for a BMW, the choice is a bit easier.

sqidbait · 03-30-2001, 06:04 PM

I like the idea for a 750R for $7K. If one

had been around when I was buying last

summer, I probably would have bought one.

$17K for the RT is just too much for what

you get. I'd *much* rather have the

FJR for 10K... er, make that 9K.

-- Michael

desertbilly · 03-30-2001, 06:42 PM

Okay, first ride (looks very good - solid, confidence inspriing, fun) and price - 10k base, 12.2k ABS. That's 1k more for the base, but the ABS premium dropped from 3k on last year's model to 2,200 this year. That's still high, but better than last year. ABS on the F650GS is only $500, and I don't understand why the sensors, pumps and a control unit cost 4.4 times as much on the RR, as for the GS.

Anyway, my local dealer discounts a little, so the R-R is still in the running for me. I would need a windshield, but then it would make a pretty good all-arounder, light tourer for me.

The FJR-1300 interests me, as would the replacement for the ST-1100; but Rider speculates the FJR could be as high as 14k if it makes it to the US at all, and the X-Wing probably won't be that low, with a V-6, and who knows what other tricks.

So the competition is looking like the Bandit S for $7,400, the FZ-1 for $8,500, the Hornet 900/929 for ? (maybe $8,500?), the R1150R for $9,990. That's a pretty good lineup. I'd like to see the ZRX-1200S join for party, for maybe $8,300.

Decisions, decisions...

PS - thanks for the good, quick writeup. The Rider that came yesterday said look to the July issue for info on these two bikes.

desertbilly · 03-30-2001, 06:54 PM

They've been selling the R850R for some time in Europe, although not for as low of price as you (and thousands of others) would like. The price differential was only six hundred pounds less than the R1100R ( at http://www.cannon-bmw.co.uk/ ) . If you project that to the States, that's maybe $8,000 for the R850R, $9,000 for the R1100R, and now $10,000 for the R1150R.

I agree it would get them a boatload of market share to sell the R850R for $6,990, but BMW seems more interested in the small-share, high-margin market segment.

Calamari · 03-30-2001, 07:58 PM

If BMW could only shave off $2000 they would

redefine the universal motorcycle.

It's looking like a great year to buy a new bike.

If your head dose'nt explode while trying to decide

what "nitche" you fit in too.

Gabe · 03-30-2001, 09:23 PM

Do you really not remeber the R850R? It actually was a very competent bike, and siginifigantly cheaper than the 1100. I don't remeber how much cheaper, but you can buy a used one now for $5400-6200. New they were about $8,000, I think.

But I seriously doubt BMW would price a twin that low, and ev en if it was so cheap, they can't make enough to "snatch massive market" from the other manufacturers- even after selling 20% more bikes in the US in 2000 over 1999, BMW only sold 12,000 bikes. That's after 30 months of growing sales!

BMW is just uninterested in selling cheap bikes. There will never be a BMW described as a "bargain" or even as a good value. That's just not why people buy them.

Harley's are brilliantly marketed because they sell less bike for more money, and to it to a mass market, unlike Ducati. BMW just needs to lenghten its list of suckers.

ujm4ever · 03-31-2001, 03:17 AM

The Roadster is looking pretty sweet. Lets see; shaft drive, air cooled, easy to adjust valves... I may soon have to change my handle to uGm4ever.

03-30-2001, 03:16 PM	#1
minime Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 334	Re: BMW Twins Reader Feedback Again, First Post, so now we can all keep things on topic, thanks

03-30-2001, 04:12 PM	#2
SlowDude Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 11	Re: BMW Twins Reader Feedback There you go again starting out off topic. You are becoming the new anonymous squid of the site. Loved the naked R model. I think it is the best looking R yet. First real post!

03-30-2001, 04:15 PM	#3
wheat Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 33	Re: BMW Twins Reader Feedback I'd be interested to hear if the nerve deadening thrum of the R11 is signifcantly changed in these new models. I owned a 95 R1100R and had to give it up because of it. Other than that, I found it to be a great ride.

03-30-2001, 04:36 PM	#4
starvingstudent Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 486	Re: BMW Twins Reader Feedback That R1150R really makes my mouth water... But it's too expensive and is more size/power than I need. And singles do nothing for me. When will BMW wake up and make a R750R priced at $6999? That would snatch massive market away from the middleweight standards market. When it's $5500 for a Nighthawk or 10K for a BMW, the choice is a bit easier.

03-30-2001, 06:04 PM	#5
sqidbait Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 170	Re: BMW Twins Reader Feedback I like the idea for a 750R for $7K. If one had been around when I was buying last summer, I probably would have bought one. $17K for the RT is just too much for what you get. I'd much rather have the FJR for 10K... er, make that 9K. -- Michael

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03-30-2001, 06:42 PM	#6
desertbilly Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 133	Re: BMW Twins Reader Feedback Okay, first ride (looks very good - solid, confidence inspriing, fun) and price - 10k base, 12.2k ABS. That's 1k more for the base, but the ABS premium dropped from 3k on last year's model to 2,200 this year. That's still high, but better than last year. ABS on the F650GS is only $500, and I don't understand why the sensors, pumps and a control unit cost 4.4 times as much on the RR, as for the GS. Anyway, my local dealer discounts a little, so the R-R is still in the running for me. I would need a windshield, but then it would make a pretty good all-arounder, light tourer for me. The FJR-1300 interests me, as would the replacement for the ST-1100; but Rider speculates the FJR could be as high as 14k if it makes it to the US at all, and the X-Wing probably won't be that low, with a V-6, and who knows what other tricks. So the competition is looking like the Bandit S for $7,400, the FZ-1 for $8,500, the Hornet 900/929 for ? (maybe $8,500?), the R1150R for $9,990. That's a pretty good lineup. I'd like to see the ZRX-1200S join for party, for maybe $8,300. Decisions, decisions... PS - thanks for the good, quick writeup. The Rider that came yesterday said look to the July issue for info on these two bikes.

03-30-2001, 06:54 PM	#7
desertbilly Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 133	How about an 850? They've been selling the R850R for some time in Europe, although not for as low of price as you (and thousands of others) would like. The price differential was only six hundred pounds less than the R1100R ( at http://www.cannon-bmw.co.uk/ ) . If you project that to the States, that's maybe $8,000 for the R850R, $9,000 for the R1100R, and now $10,000 for the R1150R. I agree it would get them a boatload of market share to sell the R850R for $6,990, but BMW seems more interested in the small-share, high-margin market segment.

03-30-2001, 07:58 PM	#8
Calamari Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 16	Re: I agree timely and well written If BMW could only shave off $2000 they would redefine the universal motorcycle. It's looking like a great year to buy a new bike. If your head dose'nt explode while trying to decide what "nitche" you fit in too.

03-30-2001, 09:23 PM	#9
Gabe Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 720	Re: BMW Twins Reader Feedback Do you really not remeber the R850R? It actually was a very competent bike, and siginifigantly cheaper than the 1100. I don't remeber how much cheaper, but you can buy a used one now for $5400-6200. New they were about $8,000, I think. But I seriously doubt BMW would price a twin that low, and ev en if it was so cheap, they can't make enough to "snatch massive market" from the other manufacturers- even after selling 20% more bikes in the US in 2000 over 1999, BMW only sold 12,000 bikes. That's after 30 months of growing sales! BMW is just uninterested in selling cheap bikes. There will never be a BMW described as a "bargain" or even as a good value. That's just not why people buy them. Harley's are brilliantly marketed because they sell less bike for more money, and to it to a mass market, unlike Ducati. BMW just needs to lenghten its list of suckers. __________________ Gabe Ets-Hokin Just a guy in the ether...

03-31-2001, 03:17 AM	#10
ujm4ever Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 15	Re: BMW Twins Reader Feedback The Roadster is looking pretty sweet. Lets see; shaft drive, air cooled, easy to adjust valves... I may soon have to change my handle to uGm4ever.