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Old 03-31-2001, 05:17 AM   #11
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Default Re: How about an 850?

I really think it's embarrasing to sell an 850 for less than $1000 different than the 1100. Why would ANYBODY buy the 850 if they're not going to get a lighter motorcycle and they're not going to save a significant amount of money?



Harley sportsters sell well in both 883 and 1200 sizes. Why? because there's a price difference. For less than $6000, you can get an 883 (with a few less extras) or for $9000, you can get a 1200. In my humble opinion, BMW should use the R850R to hook new members to the BMW cult, the way Harley uses the 883.



But I'm not in BMW's R&D or Marketing, and they seem to prefer the small numbers/high cost model of production, so it looks like it's going to be a decade or so until I'll be in a position where I can buy a BMW new.
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Old 03-31-2001, 05:43 AM   #12
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Call me Mr. Extravagant, but I think life's too short for worrying about a couple of grand.

If you go the cheaper route, you'll always wonder what the Beemer would have been like to own. Diminshed enjoyment.

If you spring for the big bucks, the extra cost will be forgotten in 6 months and you'll ride around with a big wide grin for years.

No contest in my book.
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Old 03-31-2001, 06:57 AM   #13
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I bought a BMW R1150GS and I consider it good value for the following reasons:



ABSII, Heated grips, Telelever, Paralever, comfort, torquey engine, fuel injection, integral luggage and hey - nothing else on the market look like it (some might say that's a good thing, but I digress).



Is it the best value? probably not. Is it the best at anything? hell no, it's just damn good at pretty much everything. I've done 700 miles days on it, had a ball riding it in the Vermont/MA twisties with the only limitation being my skill, not the bike's ground clearance, and on occassion I commute and shop for groceries. Once I get more comfy, I'll probably take it on gravel and fire roads.







Difference between BMW selling for $18,000 and HD selling for $18,000 is you get more for your money with a BMW than a HD. You get better techology, safer bikes, comfort and performance. What you do not get with a BMW is "The Harley Mystique", whatever the f*** that is. Also, a HD out the showroom door always gets a few more thousand spent on it for cosmetic purpose whereas most BMW owners spend bucks on stuff like Ohlins shocks, more lighting etc.,.



I hope that BMW will keep improving the technology and price it accordingly. Their market is not the same one targetted by the Japanese or HD and I'm quite happy for them to keep it that way.



If that makes me a sucker according to you, I can live with it.



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Old 03-31-2001, 07:04 AM   #14
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I really want to love BMW motorcycles. I have even owned three at various times in my riding carreer. Unfortunately, they all had incurable problems.



The first, a 1985 K100RT, was slow and smooth as silk...on the left side. It made up for that by being slow and vibrating like a paint mixer on the right side. Right side mirror was useless.



The second, a 1988 R100RS, was a fun bike, light wieght and torquey but fairly primitive. The passenger pegs vibrated so much they put my wife's feet to sleep every time we took a ride.



The third, a 1992 K75S, was smooth but had a lean mixture "POP" every time I let off the throttle. BMW checked it out several times and said everything was AOK and that the problem must be my right wrist. Hmmm, I'm 100% confident I could have fixed the problem if it were carburated instead of fuel injected. Also, the ABS light started blinking. I took it in and the diagnostics said once again everything was fine. Obviously it wasn't so I asked how much to fix it. The dealer refused to give me a price quote. They basically wanted a blank check so they could just start replacing parts until it went away.



BMWs look like nice bikes but they are built so complicated now that even the dealers can't fix em. Addtionally, DON"T believe the ABS or any other system is self diagnostic.
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Old 03-31-2001, 07:08 AM   #15
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BMW sells R850C, R850R, R850GS in certain European markets. Their primary reason is to satisfy the displacement limits prevalent in those markets for licensing.



In North America, where displacement is king, there is little or no reason to bear the costs of marketing to sell these smaller bikes when their bigger brethern do quite nicely.



Any comparison between a Nighthawk and a R1150R is invalid - their only similarity being them being naked bikes. Everything else is worlds apart.



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Old 03-31-2001, 08:01 AM   #16
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Thanks for the BMW comments RKWXFD but I beg to differ on the complexity issues. Sans the ABS and the Roadster looks pretty simple. Two cylinders, no shims under buckets, easy access to the valves, no radiator and no chain. I believe fuel injection is simple and would not shed a tear if I never see another carburetor again.



I know Harleys also fit the simplicity bill but I'm not interested.
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Old 03-31-2001, 09:05 AM   #17
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If you way that "the extra cost will be forgotten in six months," you obviously were never an impoverished college student. I just can't ignore $2000. End of story. And buying used is always russian roulette, because I have owned bikes abused by their old owners and it gets ugly. So MSRP really does matter.



If BMW made more affordable motorcycles, I'd buy one instead of a Honda in a second. Until then...



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Old 03-31-2001, 12:49 PM   #18
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Hey Mini, your starting to sound a lot like my Dad, and that's sad.
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Old 03-31-2001, 03:56 PM   #19
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Hardly davidson does a gr8 ob of getting over weight underpowered peices of crap out to the longest list of eager suckers of any manufacturer. The only peice of crap bigger than a hd is a socalled new indian.
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Old 03-31-2001, 05:52 PM   #20
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It looks to be an awesome ride, just plain brakes will be just fine. Although if you have the dough, the ABS is sure nice. I can't see selling my 97 black R1100RS, but it's easy to see selling off the Bandit to get one of these. But then, I still keep my eyes peeled for a great deal on a slightly used 97 R850R.
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