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Old 02-14-2006, 01:31 AM   #21
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Smart decision.Let somebody else take the depreciation on a BMW.

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Old 02-14-2006, 02:22 AM   #22
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Re: "What I wonder about is what it's target market is."



To me, these bikes are about real world use. That, and not everyone is riding one so there is a feel of exclusivity.



'Most' BMW riders that I know are folks for whom the "Speed" question is nearly moot. Top speed isn't a consideration at all. I have 130 HP in my K bike and as far as I'm concerned I don't need any more. I rarely venture more than 10 miles over the posted speed limit anyway.



So, the market for this bike will be folks like me who want a bike with some zip to it, but not so much as to be overkill.



Yep, when purchased new these things are costly. But they have all the features that old farts like me want. It's as simple as that. Plus, you can get good deals on these bikes used.



One curious thing I've noticed about these bikes is, the folks who buy them new, don't seem to be the ones who ride the wheels off of them. Used buyers like me are the one who do that. Because of this finding 3 and 4 year old BMWs with really low mileage is an easy thing.
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Old 02-14-2006, 03:25 AM   #23
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I checked one out at the recent NY Javits show. The bike "feels"sportier than the current 1100S and has a taller saddle height. As a 2000MY 1100S owner, the finish on the 1200 was below my expectations.
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Old 02-14-2006, 03:53 AM   #24
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As to the complaints about power - the bike also has gobs of torque (83 lb/ft), which will make a difference. I'm not a BMW fan but I have ridden Guzzis for years, so I can attest to the deceptive hit that an antiquated twin cylinder engine can provide. Sometimes it's not about the peak horsepower!
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Old 02-14-2006, 03:53 AM   #25
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I think there's quite an untapped market out there for a bike like this. There are plenty of people that have no intentions to race, but would like a sporty ride with reasonable ergos and minimal maintenance. I love my speed triple, but I can't say I'm all too fond of chain upkeep.
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Old 02-14-2006, 04:25 AM   #26
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I'm afraid 'torque' isn't the boxers strong point in actual riding. On paper, it looks like it could pull stumps. While on the road, it feels wheezy and high-revving compared with even the old K100 lump. I do adore the look of the R-S bikes, though. Bring back the R-RS!
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Old 02-14-2006, 04:43 AM   #27
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I've always thought these things were amazingly capable bikes without much motor, so this will be an improvement. But BMW has always been overly optimistic as to the output from their motors. I'm thinking this is a crank output and we're going to see about 103 at the rear wheel. A significant improvement but could still use a bit more.
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Old 02-14-2006, 04:54 AM   #28
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I,m not knocking the bike,and maybe dealer,s where you are charge msrp,but here in Vegas,my friend tells me they overcharge.He,s going to go back east if he decides to buy another one and ride it back here.We,ll see how much they charge when the 800,s come out.Remember they were charging almost 9k for the 650CS.I like beemers,and if I could afford one,I,d probably consider it.But having a diverse /opposing opinion is not a bad thing!
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Old 02-14-2006, 04:54 AM   #29
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Amen.
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Old 02-14-2006, 04:56 AM   #30
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Like the last line!!hahahahah!!!
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