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Old 12-01-2004, 10:31 AM   #61
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Default I don't know cr*p!!

I looked at the site you posted....and BMW has had single sided swingarms since the invention of dirt! So I guess don't know jack.



And that mid-eighties K100RS is still a damn fine looking machine. In my eyes, that was a styling home run.
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Old 12-01-2004, 10:53 AM   #62
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Default Re: Well, OK, it's different...

I've got a theory about why certain cars and bikes look better in person than in pictures. Many times the photography is shot at angles and perspectives that we don't normally see when looking at the object in person. Sometimes it's flattering, other times, it's not. As an example, we see many cars shot in profile from the "beltline." (the vertical midpoint of the profile). When we're standing next to a car admiring it, our eye level is much higher than that, so the car appears somewhat different. It's the same with bikes. Also, a two dimensional image isn't an entirely accurate representation of a three-dimensional object. Depths, detail and texture can be obscured or distorted, changing the way the object is percieved.



So yes, a bike can look somewhat different in pictures than it does in person.



And, I'll say it again, I don't think the 999 is ugly. I think it's kinda funky/industrial/minimalistic cool. The problem is that it's not the 916. If people could stop themselves from comparing it to the 916, they might feel a little diffferently. But, alas, we're all human. Er, except maybe Kpail.
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Old 12-01-2004, 11:26 AM   #63
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Default But.....

You still had a valid point about BMW styling in general. Nobody is fawning over the looks of these bikes. I just didn't think they were as hidious as many have said. They certainly look a bit funky for sure, but I find the Beemers in general never look all that bad.
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Old 12-01-2004, 11:40 AM   #64
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Default Re: New BMW R1200s, St and RT

Is the same team who designs the latest BMW cars desiging the bikes too? Bizarro.



I think the RT should have tailfins to go with that grill (kind of looks like a Borgward).



In fact, it looks like BMW unearthed the whole dang Borgward design team for this latest crop.



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Old 12-01-2004, 01:30 PM   #65
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Default Re: New BMW R1200s, St and RT

Man!!! Looking at the front of the RT, I see a V-strom mixed with an ST-1300. The ****pit shot looks somewhat more reasonable, but I'll need to see one in the flesh before I give up on the current 1150RT.
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Old 12-01-2004, 01:53 PM   #66
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Default Re: Well, OK, it's different...

I don't think Honda went broke.
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Old 12-01-2004, 02:41 PM   #67
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Default Re: Well, OK, it's different...

They would have if they'd decided to sell just Runes.
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Old 12-01-2004, 02:44 PM   #68
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Default Re: I'd like to point out that...

I'm well aware that my tastes differ markedly from the average consumer. but I find the 999 to be one of the most beautiful motorcycles ever made. Perhaps it's because I've become inured to the look of the 916 and it's offspring over the course of it's many iterations, but after seeing both the 916 and the 999 parked side by side, I'd have to say that the 999 is noticeably the better looking of the two. VWW
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Old 12-01-2004, 03:01 PM   #69
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Idiot BoyÂ…HmmÂ…Must be talking about me. Okay, letÂ’s danceÂ…



I happen to really like early BMWs, because the designs made sense. I also like the BMW R1150GS because it also makes sense. What I don’t like is Jerk-off designs, made with the intent of giving exclusivity to certain market sectors. The early BMWs were timeless designs. They did what they did, very well, and succeeded on that merit, as did – ugly as they were – early Volvos.



What most comes to mind, when I look at the new Beemers, are Victorian Homes: ugly, impractical designs, which were meant to be ostentatious examples of status, rather than architectural design realities. IÂ’ve always found it funny, when I look at many Victorian Homes, that often the barns, and sheds, in the rear are more pleasing to my eye, than the homes them selves. The reason for this is simple; their design and structure had, and fulfilled, a purpose.



As for the SV650, it is proving itself to be a benchmark design. IÂ’ve yet to talk to anyone, whoÂ’s owned a SV, who didnÂ’t love it. Anyone, with a modi***** of mechanical skills, can take a SV and, for about $500, make it into a sport-tourer or a long distance touring bike. Up the money to about $1000, and add a bit more skill, and youÂ’ll have a pretty good track bike.



To me, the SV fits much closer to the design-essential of "Form Follows Function" than either of the new Beemers or the Multistrada.



Buy what you want. Personally, IÂ’d rather live in "Falling Water" than a Victorian-Horror, any day.



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Old 12-01-2004, 03:12 PM   #70
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If different is better, I only have this to sayÂ…



Pontiac Aztec: hideous, or what?

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