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Old 04-29-2004, 10:53 AM   #71
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Default Re: again the HD faithfull refuse to admit that change is possible

Except that it isn't ALL about price. If you want a really cheap ride there are plenty of Kimcos and Royal Enfields out there already. Unless they produce an inexpensive bike that is reasonably comparable to the Big Four in performance and build quality, the Chinese will have a tough time muscling in on Japan's turf.



Not that it can't be done, though. Look at the strides Korean car makers have made in the past two years. They used to be just cheap, and they weren't taken seriously by other manufacturers. Now they're cheap and fairly decent, and the other manufacturers are worried about the future of their market shares.
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Old 04-29-2004, 11:00 AM   #72
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Bruno Taglifiera (?) stated as much in a recent issue of Brit mag. Performance Bike. Because of increased legislation and tightening sportbike market in Europe, Triumph was going to shift their emphasis to the classic and cruiser lines. Their soon to be released Rocket 111 and Thruxton are already major sellers. Triumph is smart enough to put their R&D money where it does the most good, not try to chase a rabbit down a hole competing with the Japanese
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Old 04-29-2004, 11:04 AM   #73
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Default Re: Hellloooooooooo!!!! JB.....???? Anybody home....???????

what are you wearing?
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Old 04-29-2004, 11:08 AM   #74
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Not to mention submarines, parts for F-15s and F-16s, and 60% of all the industrial gas turbines sold in the entire world.



To state the obvious: Kawasaki is large.
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Old 04-29-2004, 11:13 AM   #75
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i think I'm working on about three of them right now.
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Old 04-29-2004, 11:15 AM   #76
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The world must have run out of sissies.
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Old 04-29-2004, 11:32 AM   #77
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People foolishly believe that since the Hummers originally were developed by the military they would be reliable. WWII was a long time ago. Much military stuff designed since the 40's is overpriced high maintenance stuff.



A lot of it is really unreliable. M-16s, Apache Choppers, etc.
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Old 04-29-2004, 11:35 AM   #78
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I'm trying an experiment. Sort of like rewarding your dog for being nice.



Now if only I could apply the 50,000 volts when he acts up.
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Old 04-29-2004, 11:51 AM   #79
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Don't forget that Japanese corporate culture -- and Japanese culture in general -- is not Western culture. There is a business custom known as tobashi (literally "flying") that denotes it is more important to look financially healthy than to actually be financially healthy. In Japan, being the best is honorable, while keeping the books straight is not of the highest importance. Business, after all, is a fairly abstract concept in modern times. If you are perceived as successful, than you are successful.



There could be thousands of Enron-type scandals in Japan, but no one particularly cares if the companies are actually making the kind of money they project. The culture actually encourages lying rather than giving bad news -- I've had first-hand experience with this, as has anyone who has traveled to Japan. So even if hard numbers supporting the idea of not losing money on these bikes are found, there's no guarantee of their accuracy!



And if anyone doubts this, why is the 599 $7k when it uses decade-old technology? Is Honda maybe trying to fill the gaps? Hmmm?
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Old 04-29-2004, 12:16 PM   #80
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You're supposed to have a couple of dirt bikes in there too.
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