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Old 07-17-2006, 10:54 AM   #1
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Default Re: AMA Prohibits Traction Control in Road Racing.

Ah, you might want to change the title to:

AMA ALLOWS Traction Control in Road Racing.
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Old 07-17-2006, 01:55 PM   #2
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Default Re: AMA Welcomes (to some degree) Traction Control in Road Racing.

*sigh* The AMA keeps f***ing up the whole racing scene. Back to MotoGP for me.
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Old 07-17-2006, 02:27 PM   #3
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Default Re: AMA Welcomes (to some degree) Traction Control in Road Racing.

Seems this helps propagate that 4 class system.. ...ie. 600 stock (Supersport), 600 modified (F Extreme), 1000 stock (Superstock), and 1000 modified (Superbike). At lease till for awhile until TC becomes standard on sportbikes.. Would rather see some reduction in the classes but I think the manufacturers like it cause they all can claim they won some class ..Would love to see 5 manufacturers in Superbike ... 6 Supersport (add Triumph)
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Old 07-17-2006, 02:39 PM   #4
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Default Ben Bostrom Not Sure He Will Use Traction Control On Ducati At Laguna Seca

""It could [help us]. It could, but thereÂ’s still other problems. WeÂ’re still racing against 1000cc four-cylinders, and weÂ’re on [1000cc] Twins. That doesnÂ’t quite add up. So thereÂ’s always going to be something stacked against [us] there. But if it does give us any kind of improvement, hey, thatÂ’s an improvement."

"People get all strange, like weÂ’re going to suddenly go 10 seconds a lap faster. ItÂ’s not going to be like that."



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Old 07-18-2006, 02:11 PM   #5
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Default Re: AMA Welcomes (to some degree) Traction Control in Road Racing.

So, like, what happened to this site for the better part of today?
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Old 07-18-2006, 02:29 PM   #6
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Default Re: AMA Welcomes (to some degree) Traction Control in Road Racing.

The MO staff was busy covering up frame breakages. We needed to snuff a few people and really didn't want any commentary while we were out masterminding coverups and taking lives. Things will continue as normal unless other frames start to dismember. Carry on.
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Old 07-18-2006, 02:45 PM   #7
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Default Re: AMA Welcomes (to some degree) Traction Control in Road Racing.

Well, I had a question, but....never mind.
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Old 07-18-2006, 04:29 PM   #8
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Default Traction control has been used in AMA for a while now

Seems to me the AMA realized they wouldn't be able to police traction control, so they let it in on their terms. The can identify non-oem sensors, but wheel speed sensors aren't necessary to implement traction control. In fact, an expert recently said that traction control was already being used by the factory teams.



Amar Bazzaz recently gave an interview that was reported over at superbikeplanet.



Basically, Bazzaz told Adams how traction control was being implemented in Superbike (and possibly other classes), but it was either ignored, or someone lacked the mental horsepower to understand what was being said.



The system worked by tracking wheel acceleration (spinning up). Based on what Bazzaz said, superbike teams (and others, I suppose) were monitoring wheel speed (via gear selection/rpm), and when the wheel spun up more quickly than the bike could be accelerated in that gear, the power was cut. There are videos out on the web of a well known superbike team with engines "stuttering" on corner exit.



This allowed the teams to implement a traction control system without using sensors.



So, I'd say "welcoming" is the right word to use.
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Old 07-18-2006, 05:31 PM   #9
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Default Re: AMA Welcomes (to some degree) Traction Control in Road Racing.

I didn't do it..
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Old 07-18-2006, 06:08 PM   #10
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Default Re: Traction control has been used in AMA for a while now

You make an excellent point... The real question is do you need a sensor to know you if your back tire is spinning.. If you make some assumptions what your speed and acceleration (measured at the front wheel) should be given the current gear and engine rpm (and change in rpm i.e. engine acceleration), you can have a little box with a microprocessor do this comparison easily. i.e it would cut the gas when it calculated you were spinning. No sensors needed...Not a pure closed loop system with wheel sensors but probably good enough and better than nothing and faster than a human..except if your name is Rossi... Excellent point DC_Dave

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