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Old 03-11-2004, 03:42 PM   #41
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Default Re: Aaron Yates Suspended by AMA

Yea, I remember respecting Yates even after watching him try to knee-slide on the red and white paint like a knuckle-head at Laguna last year. Had Eric Bostrom been Yates, and visa/versa, would Yates have been so darn mouthy with a broken shoulder?? What a whining *****!
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Old 03-11-2004, 03:58 PM   #42
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Default Re: Aaron Yates Suspended by AMA

On the video, Fania is entering the corner about 1 metre from the inside (Yates is 3 to 4 metres from the inside).



You can then see that Yates bike is clearly leaning over as it starts to corner, while Fania's bike is still almost upright.



Yates maintains his 3 to 4 metres distance from the inside of the track, while Fania drifts wide until the collision occurs.



I don't know why Fania hadn't started turning. Maybe he thought he was coming in too hot, and was trying to wash off speed under brakes before tipping in (pure speculation).



Either way, Yates initial line appeared to be to one that would allow him to pass with room to spare. Unfortunately, as happens in racing, things didn't turn out that way.



Yates was very unlucky to crash, and understandably extremely frustrated - but that doesn't excuse his reaction.
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Old 03-11-2004, 04:14 PM   #43
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Actually, no contradiction between the calls for police action and your preference for letting boys just duke it out. After all, for those who want men to be men and lesser men to be treated like the sissy girls they are, what better place than prison. How d'ya figure Yates 'd do there? Be kicking many Biyatches in the briyatches?



I didn't think so.
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Old 03-12-2004, 01:17 AM   #45
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ha ha, thanks KP.
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Old 03-15-2004, 11:17 AM   #46
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Default Re: Aaron Yates Suspended by AMA

Wonderful, that means he will probably be riding, pissed off, around Lake Sinclair in Georgia. Hope he doesn't try that stunt with the street riders in the area! He'll need some dental work if he does....Grow up man, geez, I saw the wreck videos, take a look, you went where you should not have and got taken out. Professional Rider, yeah right....



Me thinks the attitude of the entire Yoshimura team needs to be reviewed. They appear to have a whining, crappy attitude problem that has to be team wide. Just listen to his team mate, even *****ing in victory circle!



And to think I was inintially happy that Suzuki was going to be competitive again this year....
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Old 03-15-2004, 11:23 AM   #47
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1) Your logic doesn't hold up. Yates had chosen his line before he knew what Fania was going to do. If Yates was outside of Fania, and Fania was going to run off the track, Yates was running off the track anyway, regardless of where Fania was.

2) Fania probably never knew Yates was there- Yates was approaching Fania at a closing speed of at least 10-15mph, and roadrace bikes don't have mirrors. Furthermore, the use of the flags to indicate to lappers that traffic was approaching from behind was minimal, at best, in that race.

2) Yates is a noob for even attempting to pass a lapper on the outside. Even beginner roadracers (even NON-racers) know you don't do that. Related to that point...

4) ...every racer knows (and will tell you) that it is the passer, not the passee, who is responsible for making it safely through the turn. It wouldn't have mattered if Fania had fallen off in front of him, it was Yates' responsibility as the passer to get around Fania safely.



The crash was 100% Yates fault, plain and simple.
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Old 03-15-2004, 11:34 AM   #48
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No, and no. You are forgetting the other key ingredient to going around corners safely- speed. Fania's speed was at least 10-15mph slower that Yates, which would allow him to take a different line that Yates. He could have easily made that corner.



Fania drifts wide? You aren't watching the same crash I am. Yates clearly cuts to the inside and collides with Fania in the one I and the rest of the world are watching.



Yates' line was poorly chosen- any moron knows not to pass lappers on the outside of a corner. Any moron also knows that it is Yates' responsibility to get around the lapper safely, not the lapper's responsibility to make sure the top riders pass him safely.
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