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Old 09-07-2003, 04:22 PM   #11
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Default 3 600cc classes next year

Are there going to be 3 600cc classes of racing next year?



Superstock

Supersport

and now Formula Xtreme too??



If that's the case he'd be riding the XB9R not the 12 in Xtreme



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Old 09-08-2003, 07:42 AM   #12
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Default Re: 3 600cc classes next year

There are really only two classes for 600cc bikes next year, and they are quite different. They are:



"Supersport" - for mostly "stock" 600cc bikes on DOT race tires.



"Formula Extreme" - drops the 1000cc and 750cc fours, for heavily modified 600/4s and 750/Twins on slicks. (though I believe a Supersport legal 600 could probably be raced in Extreme, with a simple tire swap.)



The "Superstock" class is being modified to allow 1000cc inline 4s next year. I believe there is still some debate as to whether or not to stick with DOT race tires, or allow full slicks for safety's sake.
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Old 09-08-2003, 02:41 PM   #13
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Default Re: 3 600cc classes next year

So the final draft of the Formula Extreme eliminated the air cool twins then?? I thought I saw a first draft with the air cooled twins.
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Old 09-08-2003, 05:11 PM   #14
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Default Re: AMA vs Buell

I see what their problem is! You have to read the letter all the way to the signature to understand why they aren't letting him in:</p>

<blockquote>Sincerely,



Michael Ciccotto #13

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Oil leaks. What a load of BS. I just read the Winnetka Cycle piece- maybe they think o-ringing should be against the rules?</p>

Perhaps if I decide not to renew my membership in protest, the AMA will hear?</p>

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Old 09-08-2003, 09:22 PM   #15
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Default Re: AMA vs Buell

I think the question is how can the AMA not make room for a Buell. Motorcycle roadracing in this country is hardly overly popular. I believe that Buell could potentially bring the interest of a huge fan base, one that has felt largely disenfrancised from the sport for 30 years now. I miss Rayborn and the gang on their "Halloween Specials". The sound of those bikes was music to my ears. I'm mostly a riceburner fan but I say let them be competitive and let them race! As far as "bring teams that should not be there?" goes, Hogwash! (some pun intended) I can only guess what that remark implied... . Hey AMA don't get all NASCAR on us remember your roots. Is there not room for all Motorcyclists within your organization? Within Motorcycle Roadracing?
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Old 09-09-2003, 09:21 AM   #16
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Default Re: AMA vs Buell

Hey MO gang, why not settle some of the performance debate and do a 600 vs. Buell shootout. If, as you stated in the Buell vs. Ducati ss900 review, that the Buell ran off and left an R1 in the canyons, then 600s on a racetrack shouldn't be much different. At least it would give us some lap times to compare. Numbers baby, it's all in the numbers. Or is it?
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Old 09-10-2003, 11:07 AM   #17
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Why allow an air cooled twin of 1200cc compete with a liquid cooled 600cc or liquid cooled 750cc machine?



Seems obvious to me, his displacement is too large. Why doesn't he run a 1000cc air cooled engine?
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Old 09-18-2003, 06:22 PM   #18
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Look at it again, he was running a "nearly stock XB9R..." That's 984cc.

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Old 09-22-2003, 10:17 AM   #19
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Take a look at the lap times from BIR in 2002; the Super bikes were running times in the low 1:37 range, the Super Sport were in the 1:41Â’s, Formula Xtreme were in the 1:38 range, Super stock were in the 1:40Â’s, 250 two strokers were in the 1:42Â’s and the Buell Pro Thunder were in the 1:44Â’s. To make it worse Ducati 748's dominated the series.

That is why AMA will not set up another class just for an American made motorcycle. I believe that someday Polaris will build a bike that can compete in AMA, Buell had there chance and blew it.

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