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seruzawa 07-29-2002 06:04 AM

Re: Let me clarify...
Amongst the problems with insurance is the problem that insurance companies love to create a perception of safety problems where there are few or none. They will overblow everything they can in order to justify their rates and then again to not pay valid claims. For all their posturing, they are the most profitable companies on earth. I'm not against profit, far from it. But insurance companies love to promote phony statisics to boost fees. You need look no further than that toady group the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety to see what I mean. Figures lie and liars figure.

All these geniuses claimed that raising the Interstate speed limits back to 65+ would result in vast carnage. The fact is that the accident rate has gone down on the interstates since the speed limits went up. So one could say that the people who lobbied for low speed limits and delayed the return to 65 mph limits (IIHS, DOT, etc.) were responsible for the excess highway deaths. It turns out that fatigue is a far bigger factor than speed, as anyone who has driven from Salt Lake to LA or Seattle could tell you. But, no, we are subjected to idiot PR campaigns like "Speed Kills".

Incompetence kills. So much for the "experts".

longride 07-29-2002 06:19 AM

Re: Some ideas and the cruiser guys won't be happy
You first posted below that my stats are wrong and you will post the "correct" ones. Funny how you are so quick to call me wrong and then ask for my sources. Why would you think I have sources? I mean I could just pull numbers out of my azz like all the rest right? I will wait for your corrections. Give it a go.

seruzawa 07-29-2002 06:33 AM

Re: If you don't wear a Full Face Helmet and Protective Gear you are an Organ Donor
Actually, I could explain what I usually wear while riding, but I'm in no way answerable to you.

You are without a doubt the most arrogant person I've had the misfortune to deal with on this website. Your sort of insulting opinionation would be more fitting on the FreeRepublic. You could find lots of "I am smarter than everyone else" buddies there.

You are the kind of person who would sell all your neighbors into servitude for your own convenience or to save a buck on insurance. I'll bet you call the cops on your neighbors who violate zoning ordinances because it might hurt your property values.

At least you are no longer in the military so we don't have to worry about you wandering loose with automatic weapons. Weren't those friendly fire casualties in Iraq your fault?

I doubt it. That would mean getting too close to the fighting.

longride 07-29-2002 07:02 AM

Re: Me too.
"The problem is that personal responsibility is not something that we, as a society, are real big on. When we get whacked for doing something stupid a disgusting number of us (or our relatives) immediately begin looking for someone to sue. This litigation is fueled by big money, big interests, and eventually involves the power of the state. A few twists and turns aside, that's how we end up with mandatory helmet and seatbelt laws."

Martin, I agree here 100%. Chicago just got the green light to sue handgun mfgs. every time someone gets shot. Also. relating to motorcycling, a high profile personal injury lawyer was suing the motorcycle mfgs. for unsafe design every time there was an injury in a motorcycle accident. He cited may design flaws such as lack of leg protection and inherent instability. He was also winning. Not sure if he stopped or the decisions were reversed, but it wasn't good.

yzf1070 07-29-2002 07:07 AM

Re: Thanks for making my point and I don't want to.
Hey no problem, then get out of my country because like it or not being American and having freedoms has it's costs. I don't have kids, so I don't really like paying for everyone else's kids educations. All of my family members have retired with enough money that they don't need Social Security, and it won't be there when I'm ready to retire, yet it still comes out of my paycheck. You see freedom has costs. And I for one would gladly pay alittle more to know that my freedom was still intact and that I was still living in the best country on earth.

P.S. Do you really think that wearing a helmet is going to give you more credibility with John Q. SUV?! You need to try harder than that my friend...

kman45 07-29-2002 07:15 AM

Re: If you don't wear a Full Face Helmet and Protective Gear you are an Organ Donor
Ya gotta love a guy that was actually smart enough to wear his helmet the one time he needed it then admits to only wearing it 85% of the time. What, that other 15% is just trips to the convenience store and everbody knows you can't get hurt just riding down to the corner?

And anybody that does wear the proper helmet and gear everytime DOES deserve the right to jump on their high horse and point out the fact that everybody else is an idiot!

The AMA has zero credibility on the safety factor anyway. Look at their atrocious record on race safety, and then the way they stamp on the riders and teams that do speak out when they've had enough.

DJS 07-29-2002 07:35 AM

Because a group does not behave responsibly, that shows a need to regulate? Motorcycling as recreation is irresponsible from a public safety standpoint with or without helmets. Since the bikers won't stop riding on their own, maybe that shows a need for the government to step in and make riding illegal? Anybody who fails to comply with your world view needs to be regulated into compliance?

Bottom line is you have no right to force a choice on anyone else no matter how good an idea it is.

Are you willing to accept mandatory condom use? How about government enforced fat police? Maybe make tobacco illegal for your own good? You can't pick and choose what topics you want personal freedom on, that is hypocrisy at its worst.


das 07-29-2002 07:39 AM

Re: Some ideas and the cruiser guys won't be happy
First things first... socialism in theory and socialism in practice are not necessarily the same thing. There are no pure socialist nor pure capitalist countries in practice today (at least not to my knowledge... if you know of one, please, by all means, let me and the rest of the world know about it).

Per the Merriam-Webster dictionary socialism is:

"1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done "

I think he was referring to the "government ownership" part, more or less, though in terms of personal property, rather than the production and distribution of goods. Call it a combination of definitions 1 and 2a.

And, uh, I don't know which educational system is responsible for joediesel's knowledge, but based on your second paragraph, I'm figuring that the one responsible for your knowledge could use a few tweaks.

It's a funny thing I've noticed about non-U.S. people who dislike the U.S. and it's citizens... often the complaints center around the fact that Americans are ignorant of their society and customs and such. This complaint is rather hypocritical, however, because if they knew much about U.S. society, they would have learned that it's part of U.S. culture to not really care (for the most part) where you came from or what your native customs and culture are all about.

Tolerance is a two-way street.

das 07-29-2002 07:44 AM

Re: socializm coming to America
Nah, don't bother. kwh's post is pointless blather, and tomekd appears to be very good empirical evidence of that.

das 07-29-2002 07:52 AM

Re: AMA Testifies on Capitol Hill for Steps to Improve Motorcycling Safety
But, er, um... they already do. I don't know about cruisers, but big-bore sportbikes get real-world mileage in the mid thirties or better. Very few cars can make that claim.

My wife used to have a VTR250, and that got ~60mi/gallon under sporting use. Even the much-over-hyped hybrids don't get mileage that good, and they're a damn far sight less fun.

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