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Old 07-28-2002, 05:11 AM   #11
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Default Re: AMA Testifies on Capitol Hill for Steps to Improve Motorcycling Safety

More motorcycles may mean fewer cars, but if we're going to sell them as better transportation alternatives, maybe we should mandate that bikes get better gas mileage than cars.



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Old 07-28-2002, 05:15 AM   #12
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Default Re: Some ideas and the cruiser guys won't be happy

With the level of governmental control that you suggest, it sounds like you would be much more happy living in a socialist country.



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Old 07-28-2002, 05:16 AM   #13
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The thing most who make your argument regarding cagers and helmets miss is that cagers are already far ahead of motorcyclists in avoiding head injuries. It's called a seat belt. And most states make them mandatory at all times.



In addition, modern air bags also greatly reduce the chance of head injury. So, cagers have actually made great strides in reducing the risk of head injuries, while motorcyclists in many places have made great strides in the opposite direction, by having helmet laws repealed, or by allowing helmets without chin protection.



In comparable bare headed accidents, a cager with a seat belt has a 50:1 better chance of surviving than a motorcyclist. Even better with air bags.



As for armored suites, wouldn't it be nice if we had some way to tell what injuries were most likely suffered? What materials worked best for them? What types of armor and abrasion resistant materials worked, and which one's did not?





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Old 07-28-2002, 05:24 AM   #14
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Default Re: AMA Testifies on Capitol Hill for Steps to Improve Motorcycling Safety

Personally, I dont' actually want my roads riddled with motorcycles. I like being special.



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Old 07-28-2002, 05:29 AM   #15
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Default Re: Some ideas and the cruiser guys won't be happy

Could you post a little more about that study please? I'd like to get a hold of a copy of it, as opposed to the book unless it has the complete transcript.



Also, I agree about Body Armor, but damn if there are good current sources of information about what armor works, what doesn't, etc. The famous Dr. Woods article is now several years old, and American manufacturers are not doing a great job of keeping up with the science. My ass is very important to me, so I work hard to cover it with the best I can find.



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Old 07-28-2002, 06:24 AM   #16
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Default Re: Some ideas and the cruiser guys won't be happy

I alredy suggested roll cages, air bags and seat belts for motorcycles. Obviously you agree with these. We can get the motorcyclist even with the death rates of cars if we impliment my simple suggestions.
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Old 07-28-2002, 08:42 AM   #17
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Default Re: Some ideas and the cruiser guys won't be happy

I was replying to one specific point that you made, that car drivers should wear helmets because of the potential for head injury.



My reply was that they're already much safer than bikes, so why require that?



I ignored your sarcastic suggestions regarding roll bars, ets. You then imply I'm suggesting that we make motorcycles as safe as cars, which is also a silly argument, and one that I am not making, go play that game of twisting some one's words around with a five year old, not me.



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Old 07-28-2002, 10:47 AM   #18
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Default Good points Erik

Excellent post. Erik you stated your case well
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Old 07-28-2002, 11:00 AM   #19
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Default If you don't wear a Full Face Helmet and Protective Gear you are an Organ Donor wait

For the life of me I can not understand those who ride without a full face helmet. I once had an girlfriend who was an ER doctor. She had me visit the ER where she worked. It was an eye opening experience. She said the number of folks involved in motorcycling fatalities who wear the flimsy lids and no protective gear was astounding. In fact one of the EMS guys had just come back from an accident where a sport bike rider wearing leathers and a full face helmet was hit by a car. He survived with a broken collar bone. Because of his gear his injuries were not life threatening. To me it is a disgrace that the AMA would not support mandatory full face helmet laws. In fact any attempt to fight mandatory helmet laws is dramatic waste of political capital All creditability is lost.

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Old 07-28-2002, 11:09 AM   #20
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Default The big difference between the NRA and AMA

The difference is that the NRA has the constitution amendment behind it. Riding a motorcycle with out a helmet and protective gear is not protected by the U.S. constitution. Also most NRA members are very safety conscious and would not respect anyone who endangered themselves or others i.e. by riding a motorcycle without the proper gear or drinking alcohol and riding.
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